Grieves Talks New Music Friday’s, Touring with Watsky, Healing Heartache, and more

Minneapolis, Minnesota is home to Rhymesayers Entertainment, First Ave, and a hip hop scene that is always growing. A few days after the Day of Romance, an artist who many find irresistible would make his return to Twin Cities. Grieves is very familiar with the scene as he just recently renewed his contract with Rhymesayers. His contract wasn't the only thing he renewed as we struck up our conversation right where we left off. 

Isaac: Last time we kind of introduced you to our readers, those that didn’t know you already. The first thing I wanted to talk about is, it’s kind of an odd fact, but your album Running Wild has been out for a little over a year now, but have you ever heard of the movie Running Wild with Sharon Stone?

Grieves: I haven’t, no.

Isaac: So apparently, there was this movie Running Wild, that came out actually two years ago tomorrow or something like that. I think it’s the 10th of February it was released. But its got Sharon Stone, and I was like, cause I looked up what was the album release date on Running Wild, and then I typed in Running Wild, and this movie showed up with Sharon Stone.

Grieves: I mean you got me, I’m a huge Sharon Stone fan. I had the movie playing in the background the whole time I was writing it. But I was in Sweden, so everything was in Swedish. Crazy!

Isaac: I was like man, what a weird thing to see this thing come up, and it was about this lady who uses convicts to rehab horses, to save her dead husbands ranch.

Grieves: I know that fucking movie! I mean I haven’t seen it, but I’ve seen the trailer for it.

Isaac: Oh really?

Grieves: Yeah. I didn’t even know it was called Running Wild. On record, if Sharon Stone wants the smoke she can come get it. Ill bust her ass up. You want to fight me for the name come get it Sharon Stone. On record. I got this. We love her.

While Sharon Stone was busy shivering at the thought of Grieves pulling up, their was a different movie that Grieves was much more familiar. One that he commented on a long time ago in this galaxy.

Isaac: The other thing I wanted to jump right into is, there should be a new Star Wars trailer coming out soon I’m pretty sure.

Grieves: I know, yeah. So last time around, I didn’t watch any of the trailers. I didn’t see a single one. For The Last Jedi, I didn’t see a single one. I did watch the Rogue One ones, but the Rogue One ones are the ones that inspired me not to. Just because I found myself waiting for something to happen and I don’t really want that. I want that almost childish feel of being mesmerized.

Isaac: Oh right, when you see something in the trailer and you’re wanting to then see that in the movie?

Grieves: Yeah, because I’m not one of those fans that picks the movies apart. It’s almost cool to like star wars, just to pick it apart. Like when I walked out of The Last Jedi, which I fucking liked, so suck my dick everybody, I don’t give a shit. I came out, and there is some curmudgeonly old bitch in a fucking target bought, it says like, “wookie cookies” or something stupid like that on there. Like some fucking target t-shirt, and she was like “that was just terrible”. It’s like bitch, it was exactly what it needed to be, do you remember the original ones? ‘Cause if that’s the case, then they suck too. Stop holding it to this fucking standard just because it got so popular. Like they’re corny fucking sci-fi movies, let them be corny sci-fi movies, stop trying to fuck it up with your pop culture bullshit.

Isaac: Yup, and that’s how I feel about that. I actually, I felt the same way about The End Game, The Avengers End Game trailer. To me, I watched the latest one they had on the Super Bowl, and I was just like, dude it just showed who’s alive. I was like why do we even need this trailer? It’s just pointless.

Grieves: It ruins the movie for me. I like to go to the theater and be excited, and see the movie. That’s also why I don’t go on opening day for these fucking things, because you got some asshole dressed up like Darth Vader screaming and clapping the whole time behind you. Fuck off, I spent 20 dollars on this ticket, I’m just trying to watch the movie, and be present in the movie you know? Like I want to see it. So yeah, I don’t think I’m going to watch any of the trailers. I did a really good job last time, and I let everybody in my touring camp know, you can go fuck yourself, like I’m knocking peoples pay, if you all start playing trailers.

Isaac: So that totally ruins what I’m about to ask you, because what I was going to ask is, if could you send me a drunk recap of the trailer, like you did with that scene back in the day.

Grieves: I could do a drunk recap of the actually movie once it comes out.

Isaac: Alright, ill take that. I was going to say, maybe if you just get drunk enough before you watch the trailer, you won’t remember it.
Grieves: Possibly. But then you’re just going to get a weird recap of Running Wild with Sharon Stone. First of all, Sharon Stone is not the greatest. Why are there horses?

Getting short snippets of the movie where we try to jam the entire thing into a short clip tends to not only make the full movie less exciting but also causes those three minutes of trailer to be generic, bland and diluted. That being said, the same can be said for a lot of music nowadays, where pushing out a single to appease the audience is more important that creating a masterpiece that continually keeps people intrigued.

Isaac: In an era of the ;I want it now’ fans making artists pump out singles, and wanting song after song, there’s been inklings of new music with you and you’ve been on Instagram Live talking about it, but what separated your process of making music, from today’s ‘gimme’ culture where everybody wants it, and how do you handle that pressure from the fans wanting new music and tours?

Grieves: You know, I don’t really know what separates me from that. And I feel like that’s a question I’ve been asking myself a lot. And before, I just thought it was my record deal. I want to be forward about that, like a record deal. And we use this word so loosely a lot of the time, like “oh, he signed a record deal!” So it’s called a record deal for a reason, like I’m contractually obligated to make records. Not singles, not EP’s. Those don’t count against my contract. So I could sit and make 20 EP’s, and drop 100 singles, and still owe them three records. So they don’t count against my contract. And I’m not getting advances for those. Right? And luckily, I’m in a situation where my label is a lot more lenient, and easy to talk to, and if I’m like, “hey, I want to drop 100 singles and 20 EP’s.” Of course ill get a budget for it.

This mentality has proven prosperous and good for his musical ability. Personally the art of creating a complete piece of work is something that I have missed with a lot of modern music. You have the Kendrick’s and the Ubiquituous’ of the world, but for every artists making art there is a machine pumping out 30 to 40 singles a day. I am guilty of listening to both sides and some singles can be entertaining, but the ability to create a fluid piece of work will always stand tall with me.

Grieves: I don’t know if it will count against my three records that I owe them. So I think that’s what held me off of that process for so long, because it wasn’t my job. My job was to make records, and my love with music was in a record format. Having a cohesive piece of art is still super important to me. But, nobody gives a fuck. And that’s kind of the hard part, I sat down and it’s like, I’ve made so much music over the years that I didn’t release, because it didn’t fit a record, it didn’t fit an idea. Maybe it was something that I didn’t think that some of my fans would’ve liked, but I’ve been doing this for so long now, I’m not young in this and sometimes I catch myself acting like I am. I don’t need everybody’s approval, I should just start doing the shit that got me here in the first place. And that’s just making the music that I wanted to make. I had no idea I was going to do this for a living. And it took the people around me to push me into that position, because I would’ve never done it myself. I feel like all that music that I made is just gone now, and moving forward, I don’t want to do that anymore. My contract was up with Rhymesters, and recently re-negotiated.

Isaac: Yeah that’s awesome. The thing is, a lot of people say that, but there are certain artists that personally, I like hearing full, cohesive albums from, but there’s the other side of it, which was like, when I sat down with Murs, I talked to him about that album he made with Mayday, the Mursday Album, and it’s one of my favorite all time albums, and he said, and I asked him straight up “are you guys ever going to do another one?” And he said, “no, because the amount of time, money, and effort I put into that, to have everybody just shit all over it, makes me want to now make albums like that anymore.”

Grieves: Yeah, but Murs should be used to people shitting on him. I don’t mean that in a bad way, but he goes in so many directions all the time, and he caters to such a crabby bunch of-. And you know, when he signed with Strange, everybody was like, what the fuck, are you a juggalo? Like blah blah blah, I’m more hip hop than you Murs. Fuck out of here, Murs has the right, and the history, and the chops to do whatever the fuck Murs wants to do. He is OG status. If he wanted to fart into a Pringles can and mail it to your front doorstep, that’s a hit record bitch!

Grieves has been able to create new sounds, growth in lyricism and a better understanding of himself even when the fans don’t follow the progression. This constant heightening of his career lead me to see if he would ever come full circle and he would go back to his punk roots, especially with the ever melting genres of music.

Isaac: Yeah, I totally understand that. This kind of folds into something else that I wanted to talk about. Because of your musical influence, and last time we talked about you being in punk bands when you were a kid, and one thing that really intrigues me about music nowadays is the way that it continues to genre bend. You got a lot of punk rock that coming together with hip hop, you have bands like Fever 333, Rage Against the Machines, even something like Sum 41, that’s kind of got that hip hop influence too it.

Grieves: Travis Barker is all over the hip hop shit.

Isaac: Oh yeah, Travis Barker too, but do you think there will ever be a time where you want to take a full on band type of project on, like Eydea did Carbon Carousel, you know guys have gone on other rappers, Ice Tea with Body Count. Do you see yourself creating something like that?

Grieves: I was thinking about joining Body Count actually. If I could join Body Count, that would be tight. You know, I’ve talked about it, and my conclusion with that is, if it ever makes sense, it makes sense. The one thing that I have in the works, and I’ve been talking about, but I got really caught up with this new music, was going through and looking at the analytics for everything, and picking out 10 of my top songs. 10 top purchased, streamed, just the top. Take all the numbers, add them together, what are the top 10 songs? And then, curating a band from the people that I’ve met in the music industry over the past couple of years, and re-doing those songs, and having a live album, but it has to be different enough to matter, you know? It can’t be, okay well he’s playing the piano part now, and she’s playing the guitar part now. I mean the song is going too be re-written. It’s definitely been in the works. My buddy from Pepper, him and I have been talking about it a lot. Hopefully, we can come to some sort of conclusion.

The live band is growing in popularity within hip hop, but it is something that has always been dear to my heart. Bands like The Roots, The Fugees and more recently Anderson.Paak and the Free Nationals have toured with and recorded with live bands. Solo artists have also begun bring bands on tours. Artists like Chance the rapper and friend Donnie Trumpet, or Grieves’ label mate and founder Atmosphere bringing a live band on to Letterman to perform “You.” While Slug and Ant may have inspired the live band mentality of future artists, there is another aspect of their careers that often spills over to their labelmates.

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Isaac: Something else I’ve always liked about Rhymesters in general is the fan interaction that everybody has had. And, I know you’ve had on going battles with Ghost Pussy, to people like Slug, who is still going out after 20 plus years of shows, and he’s still going out to meet everybody. You’ve been pretty vocal and public about your fight with anxiety and depression, do you find it difficult to make that time for fans, or do you think that connection with your fans helps ease the anxiety?

Grieves: I’m not going to do it if I’m not feeling up to it, you know? That’s why I don’t do it all the time, we talked about setting up a regular Twitch schedule, and shit like that. But sometimes, I don’t feel like talking to motherfuckers. Which, fuck y’all, judge me. Go suck a dick if you think that’s not tight, because who does? Who does like talking to somebody all the time? That shit is exhausting and the same thing on tour, if you catch me on tour and I’m sitting in a corner by myself, maybe leave me alone? Maybe that’s the only corner I can find. Like I got my hood up, I’m not phasing you. Maybe fucking leave me alone. Maybe I’m just exactly like you are, and I jut need to be left alone every once in a while. But I don’t fucking have that luxury sometimes because, I’m out here doing this shit for you guys.

Isaac: Right. And that’s a difficult thing from a fan perspective to realize, you know? You feel like you’re supporting these artists with the money you pay for these type of things, so you get these kind of luxuries, but also people are people. You’re not buying somebody, you’re buying their art, and that doesn’t give you the right to treat them like your own [personal] celebrity.

Grieves: And lets not get it twisted, at the level at which I operate, I am not making a shit load of money off of touring. I am definitely not making enough money to be your bitch. There’s nights where I lose money, there’s many of nights where I lose money on tour. And I make it up on a bigger show elsewhere.

This resonated with me personally and from a fan standpoint. Growing up in Green Bay, there wasn’t much to do, except for root for the Packers. The town wasn’t riddled with celebrities and it was far from diverse, so the 6’7” athletic powerhouses were probably Packer players and the biggest celebrities in town. Having met some of them personally they told stories of having to dress down and shop at weird hours to avoid people who couldn’t handle a ‘I’m busy.’

Grieves: If I’m sitting in a corner somewhere, and this isn’t actually a problem, I feel like I’m very present, and very positive with my fans, occasionally we’ve had some people be like, what the fuck man, I was yelling your name from like 3 blocks away and you kept walking. It’s like bitch, nobody heard you! So get up off my Facebook and stop acting like a little kid. Like we get that every once in a while, we get people that got really weird, and then I was like, okay yup next. Don’t want to talk to you, and then they get upset. But that’s the same shit, I don’t know how to deal with some people sometimes. Like some of y’all are weird as shit! Like really weird people. And I love you, and be weird, but that doesn’t mean that I know how to cater to your specific kind of weird.

Isaac: What can you tell me about this upcoming tour as well, because tour life is much different than studio life. And I know you’ve been doing all the remodeling with your home, spending a lot more time at home. So what are you most excited for, and what are you dreading a little bit about this tour with Watsky?

Grieves: I’m actually excited to be the opener! I’m excited to be the opener because it’s kind of scary, and it’s different. I’m playing to new crowds, and it’s how it was on the come up. And since I’m doing this new shit, with new music, and a new format, it just feels good. And it did inspire me to do it because when they reached out, they’d be like, it’d be really cool if you had something too to promote during this time. And I as like, well I don’t have anything. And they’re just like, well we think it’d be cool if you did. I’m like, okay. At first I was like, well fuck y’all, how am I supposed to pull a record out of my ass just to support your tour? And then I was like, wait, why don’t I? Why don’t I try at least right? So I was like, okay I’m going to try and get an EP together, because I’m not even going to try to call it a record. Because you cam kind of get away with murder on an EP right? You can be like, I don’t know, it’s an EP! And they’ll be like, oh it’s just an EP. Hmm nevermind. I was like fuck it, lets just do singles.

Isaac: Yeah.

Grieves: Lets put a shit load out! And then my manager was like, wait what? And then it got real quiet on the phone and I was like, yeah, lets put a bunch out! And he’s like, you can’t do this! And I was like, I think I can! You know, he tries to make everything realistic. He’s like, you’d have to write, make, compose, write, mix, master, publish, blah, blah, blah all these by this time. I was like, yeah lets fucking do it! And I just went for it.

Another aspect of the opener is being put in front of a brand new audience. Grieves went on to talk about the importance of make the best of every chance you get and the pitfalls that young artists fall prey to.

Grieves: That’s the hope. Also a lot of people, I see this shit happen for a decade plus. People get on these tours and they start acting like it’s their tour. And they start acting like that’s their fans, and that they don’t need to do shit, they just sit back. Then that’s the end of their career or they sit around and bitch and complain about how they never had one. And I try to tell all these young cats, you need to be out there at the merch table, you need to show face. Unless you got a fucking Spotify single or some shit that is blowing the fuck up right now, if you are by the grace of God on this fucking tour, and you’re in front of 5,000 people a night, you better meet 5,000 people a night. You better get your ass out there so they know who the fuck you are, and don’t be annoying. You should get your ass out there now and casually meet 5,000 people. That’s what your job is. So I kind of look forward to that, I kind of look forward to the hustle again, the meet new people, rebuild this, if I’m re approaching how I’m making music, then what a beautiful time to rebuild with a different fan base.

The Watksy fan base offers Grieves a bit of a luxury in that they are similar enough artists that some fans overlap, but he can push himself to gain the rest. Sometimes the easiest way to gain an audience is to be yourself and give them a peak into the life that they might relate to. In that sense, I was interested in a little more of a hodgepodge of random questions for Grieves.

Isaac: I wanted to bring about a few rapid fire questions, and then I’ll go in to our fan question. So I have four real quick questions for you, what’s your favorite thing to cook?

Grieves: Roasted chicken.

Isaac: Yeah? What do you season that with?

Grieves: My special boost seasoning. Don’t want to fuck with that dog.

Isaac: I fucking love roasted chicken. I just fucking made a whole roaster like two days ago.

Grieves: My shit is crazy.

Isaac: Favorite current song?

Grieves: Favorite current song.

Isaac: As in either your favorite song currently to play, it doesn’t have to be from this era.

Grieves: Shit. I don’t know the name of it, I like Joyner Lucas, I can’t think of the name of it.

Isaac: I think I know what you’re talking about too.

Grieves: Yeah. Look What You Made Me Do.

Isaac: Oh yeah, yup. He’s fantastic. Okay then, favorite instrument to play

Grieves: A keyboard. Synthesizer, keyboard to be exact

Isaac: Nice. This one, cause this is also mine, is Krysten Ritter still your celebrity crush?

Grieves: Oh, Krysten Ritter could get it all damn day long. She tall, but I’d climb up that sexy ass. Give her a smooch right on that face.

Isaac: What is that? Don’t trust a B in apartment 23?

Grieves: An angry brunette. Yeah I would love her forever. I would leave the wife and kids on Christmas morning for her.

Isaac: [Same]. The last question here comes from Danielle in Vermont, she was just coming off of a real bad breakup herself, and she said, “You have a lot of emotional music dealing with relationships and breakups, what are some of the ways that you deal with a breakup, and what are some of your favorite songs to listen to when going through a breakup?”

Grieves: Jameson in a cup, with a little bit of ice. And just repeat process. Over, and over. I don’t really think there is a right answer to that question, because everybody is different and everybody’s emotional attachment to somebody or something, is different, you know? So when I look at somebody that just gets out of an abusive relationship, and I’m like, hey fuck Todd, Todd’s a fuck boy, why are you wasting tears over Todd? Fuck Todd. But the other way around, it’s like, Carol is devastated over Todd. It’s really hard to give people advice about how they feel towards somebody else. And yeah, there’s going through the motions, spend time focusing on what you need for yourself, and what you weren’t getting out of said relationship. Depending, maybe you were getting everything you wanted out of that relationship, and they left you, now you’re all heartbroken. But then you’ve got to pick yourself up by the bootstraps when you’re ready, and you’ve got to find the time and space to be okay again.

We don’t know why these things happen, or who is capable of breaking your heart, but we can take advantage of all the things that create joy in our lives. For some it’s listening to their favorite song, for others its a sad movie and for others its laughter, but it can also be drowning your sorrows in alcohol or drugs, or in Grieves case pouring his heart into his creations.

Grieves: Yeah, and I go through some criticism, every once in a while, where people are like, I liked you better when you were sad! It’s like, yeah. That’s a terrible thing to say to somebody. Like really? Because you just lost all my respect, and they could be fans and don’t meaan any harm by it, but it’s like, why would you say that? How would you feel if I said that to you? Like, hey I liked you better when your mom was beating the fuck out of you. I found a fucking way to talk about some of those things, but that doesn’t mean that I’m going to forever and always talk about them, just so you can like me better when I don’t like myself. Fuck y’all

Isaac: And the other side of it, do you have any favorite songs, or certain songs that come to mind when you think of breakups?

Grieves: I mean, I just went through a pretty serious breakup, I was dating the girl for 7 years, and we decided to call it quits, just because our life, we weren’t on the same path anymore, you know?And that’s the most adult shit I’ve ever done in my life. We didn’t argue, we didn’t fight, there was no blowout, we just made the decision to not do it anymore. I wanted to be sad, you know, I bought this house and would work on this house, and be like, well maybe I’m not sad because I have a project, like a focus on something. And then some really bad shit happened in her family, and so I was there for that, and I ran in and was there for the family. Well maybe I’m not sad because I’m focused on this other sad thing. And then I had time to steep back from that, and I’m like, maybe you’re not sad because you both made the right decision to do something. I think that’s part of becoming an adult, you’re able to see something for what it is, and call the shot. It’s great to have someone else in your life that can also see that and acknowledge that, even though it might end up ins something like that.

One thing I have found throughout my experience with artists is they tend to be more like us than we can imagine. The most serious relationship I was a part of ended on a somber but ideal note. We cried, talked about how much we cared about each other, but knew that we were heading in different directions in life and had we not made these decisions I wouldn’t be on the career path that I am currently and for that,and for her, I have always been thankful.

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Grieves: It’s funny because I found myself wanting to listen to sad music, but I didn’t. I listen to a lot of Lofi Hip Hop Beats. Almost felt like study music. But it allowed me time to think, it allowed me time to do my activity. Which, I think, was helpful. I think having a project is huge, because it gives you something to put that energy in to. And it gives you something to do regardless, like when I bought this house and ripped all the walls down, I couldn’t just sit there and go, not today, I’m not feeling good, I’m sad. Like no, you have to get the fuck up, like there is holes in your walls, to the outside. People can come into your house now. It was really good for me to have a project like that. I’m not saying she should knock her fucking walls down or anything like that. Pick up a hobby, do something that takes up your time where you meet new people. Pick up woodworking, or basket weaving, or splunking or some shit like that. I don’t fucking know. But you are still you, and life will go on, and cliché bullshit, there’s plenty more fish in ocean. Yada, yada, yada.

Grieves: And you shouldn’t carry that with you, you know, carry that forward. I broke up because I wasn’t getting what I wanted out of the relationship, right? I want to get married and have kids [while] you want to change the world. That was never going to line up. And so, we’re like, damn this isn’t working. But I know what I want. So moving forward, and as intimidating as that is, I want to get married and have kids. If you don’t, then I’m not fucking with you, but I spent 7 years of my life with somebody that didn’t want to do that. And now I’m 35 years old. So I don’t want to do that shit anymore. It was actually liberating to know what I want. I tried some of the dating sites and shit like that, and I went on a few dates, like homies hooked me up with blind date shit. I don’t date fans, I don’t want to do any of that shit.

Isaac: You just broke like 7000 girls hearts man.

Grieves: Yeah sorry, I want to be a regular ass dude, with regular expectations. I can sit down at a date and be like, well what do you want? Where do you see things in three years? I’d be like, I’d love to be having a kid or some shit. And if they’re like, oh that’s awesome, because I would too, then it’d be like, okay cool, then we can go on another date. If they’re like, oh no! I’m like, oh you can pay your side of the check, and get the fuck out of here.

Isaac: Yeah, no I feel that, I feel that a lot. That’s something that it’s taken awhile to figure those things out for myself too, and it also comes with age. When was 24 with this girl, I was surprised that I could kind of see that, but I’m 28 now, and it’s pretty easy for me to go on a first date and realize if this girl is somebody that I want to go see a future with, or if this girl is somebody that I go, yeah this is not going to go anywhere.

Grieves: Yeah. And, fuck it lets be real. Hey, casual sex is cool too. I don’t shame nobody for that shit. If that’s the other thing, you’re like, oh yeah, I don’t want to do that, I don’t want to do that either, and they’re like, do you want to fuck for a little bit, and then not do any of that? It’s like yeah! I’m also down for that. But I would’ve never been able to say that before this relationship. I would’ve been like, oh I don’t know, maybe I do, maybe I don’t, I don’t want to hurt your feelings. Now it’s just like, yeah cool, we can fuck or we could not, or we could be on the same level, or we could just stop talking.

Isaac: Right, yeah I feel that man. The last thing that we can do here is, I want to give you a little bit of time to promote everything that you’ve got going on, what you’ve got coming up, your music, your tour, everything like that.

Grieves: Yeah, well starting tomorrow, I don’t know when this is going to print, starting tomorrow, we announce the first single. Which we’ll release on the first day of this tour which is a Friday. And then every week, for the rest of the tour ill be putting out a new song.

Isaac: Awesome!

Grieves: So it’s kind of a perfect time for this interview. I’ll be putting out new music, it’s all different, I did some featured stuff on there that I never really do on records. I’m excited! I’m excited to take a step in a new direction. The first song that we’re releasing is actually very much in context to the conversation that we were just having. There’s a video for that, so that’ll be good! I resigned my contract with Rhymesters and going back at this record shit, and I think I’m going to try to keep the pace up, definitely not a single a week, but it’d be cool to do a single a month, but don’t mark my words on that. I want to try to find a way to make music that I release and also, compile for a record. And I know it’s this whole new thing where I can be like, well I can take two of those singles and put those on the record too because fuck it.

That freedom of not needing everything to fit together allows for more more diversity when you aren’t trying to make music that doesn’t have to fit the spectrum of an album. You can make a track for how you felt that day or week. If you are creating a political album but one day you were feeling like talking about the cereal you ate that morning you might push the song until it makes sense.

Grieves: And when you’re putting out a song for song for song, it’s like, okay you didn’t like this one? Well check it next week. Motherfucker. Maybe you’ll like that one. If you buy a record, you don’t like every song on there, because unless it’s a crazy record, that record is an accumulation of experiences put into one spot for you to check out, you know? And a single, you get to avoid that whole thing, which is kind of cool because I don’t have to worry about this song not working because it’s like a fucking funny rap song, or some shit, and it doesn’t fit in my mellow dramatic rap record that I’ve created here or some shit like that, you know?

The world through the lens of a fan can sometimes drown out the authentic beauty of an artist. In the case of Grieves, this was the second phone call I’ve had with him and both gave me a pretty in-depth look into the regular-ass dude that is Benjamin Laub. We forget that outside of the anxiety-ridden, poetic filled, creatively driven artist is a guy looking for his other half and a quite life in a home he built. These are the things that make me realize the reason we relate to an artist isn’t the goosebumps from the words they spill, but the emotion that we have felt in our own lives being summoned through sonic means.

You can catch Grieves along with headlining act Watsky on the Complaint Album Tour. For all the fun and action you can also follow Grieves on social media:

Twitter: @grievesmusic
Instagram: @grieves